In the worst case we would have come back by bamboo train :-)))))
Thursday, 4 December 2008
Tuesday, 2 December 2008
02-12-08 I am back home
Arrival of plane in Paris according to schedule and believe it or not, I got some technical problems to get home by train, as usually according to Paris' standards.
I arrived home at 11.40 am and right now the first wash is turning.
I will go back to work on Thursday 04-12-08; the time in between I will use to recover some sleep, handle my ordinary mail and start with the pictures.
It is cold but sunny in Paris!
Thanks all of you for your support during the last days.
And do not think that the last 3 days - which will be in short time just a bad souvenir, I hope -spoilt my holidays; besides the last 3 days we both spent a wonderful time in Cambodia!
****
Contrary to for instance the German and French government, the Dutch government is not actively cooperating with its national air line company, KLM, to repatriate its compatriots, which implies a tremendous logistic efforts: get authorisations of the Thai authorities, organise ground and cabin crew (actually, KLM flew in 2 crew equips for my flight: the 1st for the flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur and the 2nd for the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam), organise meals, organise buses + drivers + presence of KLM staff in each bus (actually, volunteers of KLM staff being on holidays in Thailand have been asked to give a hand; funny to see them in their holidays outfit ...); fly in security staff since the security rules at the Phuket airport were unknown / insufficient, get 428 blue caps for all the passengers which we had to put on our head at the Phuket airport in order to recognize each other in the expected chaos, which turned out to be unneccesary happily, etc.
Though I was surprised first of all that little seemed to be done to get us out of the country, realising all of this, I have to admit that KLM did a huge effort and all of that without any help of the Dutch government. I have to say as well that I embraced the local KLM manager at Bangkok when he confirmed me that I was on the plane.
A KLM steward in the plane told us, that KLM decided to organise this first flight - the flight I took - for its image. The steward confirmed that such a flight one way costs Eur 250.000.
On the internet site of the French embassy I see following communiqué by the (French) Ministery of Foreign Affairs :
***
AIDE AU RETOUR DES FRANÇAIS DE THAÏLANDE - ENVOI D’UN AVION SPECIAL
Afin d’aider au retour de nos compatriotes qui ne peuvent regagner la France du fait de la fermeture des deux aéroports civils de Bangkok, le gouvernement français, en complément des efforts menés par les compagnies aériennes, notamment Air France, a décidé d’affréter un avion gros porteur.
L’avion spécial embarquera nos compatriotes qui se sont signalés à notre ambassade à Bangkok, la priorité étant donnée aux situations les plus urgentes.
Le départ de cet avion est prévu de Paris lundi 1er décembre en milieu de journée pour un retour le 3 décembre en début de matinée. Il transportera à son bord des agents du Centre de Crise du Ministère des Affaires étrangères et européennes pour renforcer notre ambassade accompagné d’une équipe médicale du Ministère de la santé et de la Brigade des Sapeurs Pompiers de Paris, et d’appui psychologique de la Croix Rouge Française.
****
Personnally I find the presence of the "équipe médicale du Ministère de la santé et de la Brigade des Sapeurs Pompiers de Paris, et d’appui psychologique de la Croix Rouge Française" exaggerated, because on our flight, there was NO crisis or panic at all!
But this effort is done by the French government, on top of the ones done by its national air line company, Air France.
By the way, at our arrival at Schiphol airport the press was present as well, I happily escaped them, since they did not notice that I was one of the passengers with only carrying my handbag. My suitcase was labelled on to Paris, so not with me at Schiphol.
At Paris - 120 passengers of our flight were French - was no press at all.
The Dutch embassy in Bangkok is publishing this message:
"2 december, 14.30 uur - Hof ontbindt politieke partijen
Het Constitutioneel Hof heeft 2 december de drie de coalitie partijen schuldig bevonden aan verkiezingsfraude en ontbonden. Dit betekent dat de premier per heden van zijn ambt is ontheven en dat een nieuwe regering moet worden gevormd. De regeringssupporters (rode t-shirts) zullen zich vanavond (2 december) mogelijk verzamelen bij het stadhuis (City Hall) van Bangkok. U wordt sterk aangeraden daar niet in de buurt te komen."
I can not assess the consequences of this decision by the court, but I have the feeling that this will worsen the situation.
****
I have been told that the situation at the military airport is a chaos. Tens of thousands of tourists would be there and huge traffic jams of buses / taxis trying to get there via provincial way to this former USA airport from the Vietnam-era.
Following message is published by the Dutch embassy at Thailand : "Ambassademedewerker bezocht op 30 november 2008 Utapao airport gelegen op ongeveer 180 km zuidoostelijk van Bangkok. Op het vliegveld heerste een chaotische toestand met een enorme mensenmassa buiten de vertrekhal. Slechts mondjesmaat werden er mensen in de vertrekhal binnengelaten. In de vertrekhal was slechts 1 bagagescanner en 4 incheckbalies. Er was nauwelijks ruimte om te bewegen. U wordt derhalve afgeraden op de bonnefooi, zonder reservering naar Utapao te reizen. De eerstvolgende Eva-air vlucht naar Amsterdam vanuit Utapao is op 2 december 02.30 uur."
The first - the following flights by Air France will be done from Phuket - special Air France flight from Air France from this military airport was not a big success: there would be only 50 passengers on board ??? Anyway, this time, the French embassy contacted the French passengers for 'my' KLM flight, something which the Dutch embassy didn't do!
Now I read following ANP press release : "De Thaise oppositie gaat ermee akkoord dat de vluchten vanaf de internationale luchthaven Suvarnabhumi van Bangkok worden hervat. Dit heeft een van de leiders van het protest dinsdag gezegd tegen het Franse persbureau AFP. " So the flights from the main airports are authorised to be resumed again, but apparently only starting from 15-12-08.
I arrived home at 11.40 am and right now the first wash is turning.
I will go back to work on Thursday 04-12-08; the time in between I will use to recover some sleep, handle my ordinary mail and start with the pictures.
It is cold but sunny in Paris!
Thanks all of you for your support during the last days.
And do not think that the last 3 days - which will be in short time just a bad souvenir, I hope -spoilt my holidays; besides the last 3 days we both spent a wonderful time in Cambodia!
****
Contrary to for instance the German and French government, the Dutch government is not actively cooperating with its national air line company, KLM, to repatriate its compatriots, which implies a tremendous logistic efforts: get authorisations of the Thai authorities, organise ground and cabin crew (actually, KLM flew in 2 crew equips for my flight: the 1st for the flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur and the 2nd for the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Amsterdam), organise meals, organise buses + drivers + presence of KLM staff in each bus (actually, volunteers of KLM staff being on holidays in Thailand have been asked to give a hand; funny to see them in their holidays outfit ...); fly in security staff since the security rules at the Phuket airport were unknown / insufficient, get 428 blue caps for all the passengers which we had to put on our head at the Phuket airport in order to recognize each other in the expected chaos, which turned out to be unneccesary happily, etc.
Though I was surprised first of all that little seemed to be done to get us out of the country, realising all of this, I have to admit that KLM did a huge effort and all of that without any help of the Dutch government. I have to say as well that I embraced the local KLM manager at Bangkok when he confirmed me that I was on the plane.
A KLM steward in the plane told us, that KLM decided to organise this first flight - the flight I took - for its image. The steward confirmed that such a flight one way costs Eur 250.000.
On the internet site of the French embassy I see following communiqué by the (French) Ministery of Foreign Affairs :
***
AIDE AU RETOUR DES FRANÇAIS DE THAÏLANDE - ENVOI D’UN AVION SPECIAL
Afin d’aider au retour de nos compatriotes qui ne peuvent regagner la France du fait de la fermeture des deux aéroports civils de Bangkok, le gouvernement français, en complément des efforts menés par les compagnies aériennes, notamment Air France, a décidé d’affréter un avion gros porteur.
L’avion spécial embarquera nos compatriotes qui se sont signalés à notre ambassade à Bangkok, la priorité étant donnée aux situations les plus urgentes.
Le départ de cet avion est prévu de Paris lundi 1er décembre en milieu de journée pour un retour le 3 décembre en début de matinée. Il transportera à son bord des agents du Centre de Crise du Ministère des Affaires étrangères et européennes pour renforcer notre ambassade accompagné d’une équipe médicale du Ministère de la santé et de la Brigade des Sapeurs Pompiers de Paris, et d’appui psychologique de la Croix Rouge Française.
****
Personnally I find the presence of the "équipe médicale du Ministère de la santé et de la Brigade des Sapeurs Pompiers de Paris, et d’appui psychologique de la Croix Rouge Française" exaggerated, because on our flight, there was NO crisis or panic at all!
But this effort is done by the French government, on top of the ones done by its national air line company, Air France.
By the way, at our arrival at Schiphol airport the press was present as well, I happily escaped them, since they did not notice that I was one of the passengers with only carrying my handbag. My suitcase was labelled on to Paris, so not with me at Schiphol.
At Paris - 120 passengers of our flight were French - was no press at all.
The Dutch embassy in Bangkok is publishing this message:
"2 december, 14.30 uur - Hof ontbindt politieke partijen
Het Constitutioneel Hof heeft 2 december de drie de coalitie partijen schuldig bevonden aan verkiezingsfraude en ontbonden. Dit betekent dat de premier per heden van zijn ambt is ontheven en dat een nieuwe regering moet worden gevormd. De regeringssupporters (rode t-shirts) zullen zich vanavond (2 december) mogelijk verzamelen bij het stadhuis (City Hall) van Bangkok. U wordt sterk aangeraden daar niet in de buurt te komen."
I can not assess the consequences of this decision by the court, but I have the feeling that this will worsen the situation.
****
I have been told that the situation at the military airport is a chaos. Tens of thousands of tourists would be there and huge traffic jams of buses / taxis trying to get there via provincial way to this former USA airport from the Vietnam-era.
Following message is published by the Dutch embassy at Thailand : "Ambassademedewerker bezocht op 30 november 2008 Utapao airport gelegen op ongeveer 180 km zuidoostelijk van Bangkok. Op het vliegveld heerste een chaotische toestand met een enorme mensenmassa buiten de vertrekhal. Slechts mondjesmaat werden er mensen in de vertrekhal binnengelaten. In de vertrekhal was slechts 1 bagagescanner en 4 incheckbalies. Er was nauwelijks ruimte om te bewegen. U wordt derhalve afgeraden op de bonnefooi, zonder reservering naar Utapao te reizen. De eerstvolgende Eva-air vlucht naar Amsterdam vanuit Utapao is op 2 december 02.30 uur."
The first - the following flights by Air France will be done from Phuket - special Air France flight from Air France from this military airport was not a big success: there would be only 50 passengers on board ??? Anyway, this time, the French embassy contacted the French passengers for 'my' KLM flight, something which the Dutch embassy didn't do!
Now I read following ANP press release : "De Thaise oppositie gaat ermee akkoord dat de vluchten vanaf de internationale luchthaven Suvarnabhumi van Bangkok worden hervat. Dit heeft een van de leiders van het protest dinsdag gezegd tegen het Franse persbureau AFP. " So the flights from the main airports are authorised to be resumed again, but apparently only starting from 15-12-08.
02-12-08 Ingrid is back in Europe
This morning I met Ingrid at the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport just between her flight from Amsterdam to Paris. Glad to be back in Europe and not-too-tired of the long flight she is on her way to Paris right now!
So it's not only fairy tales that have a happy ending......
Arjan
So it's not only fairy tales that have a happy ending......
Arjan
Monday, 1 December 2008
01-12-08 EXTRA: Ingrid is on her way to Amsterdam
I am out of the country!!!!
Arrival 1 hour later in Kuala Lumpur, another world after the poverty of Cambodia and the uncertainty at Thailand. We could get out of the plane during 1 hour. Departure for Amsterdam at this very moment, estimated arrival 4.08 local time ; duration of flight 12.10 hours. I hope to be able to sleep a bit; I am awaken since 42 hours. Lot of stories heard of co-travellers, not that catastrophic, but we are all happy having managed to get out of the country in due time.
Situation at Bangkok: Last tourists should have been evacuated from Bangkok's main airport and now one expects very soon the clash between the anti- and pro governists.
Arrival 1 hour later in Kuala Lumpur, another world after the poverty of Cambodia and the uncertainty at Thailand. We could get out of the plane during 1 hour. Departure for Amsterdam at this very moment, estimated arrival 4.08 local time ; duration of flight 12.10 hours. I hope to be able to sleep a bit; I am awaken since 42 hours. Lot of stories heard of co-travellers, not that catastrophic, but we are all happy having managed to get out of the country in due time.
Situation at Bangkok: Last tourists should have been evacuated from Bangkok's main airport and now one expects very soon the clash between the anti- and pro governists.
01-12-08 EXTRA: Ingrid has left Thailand
Plain from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur left at 7 pm local time; part 2 of my way out of Thailand!There is an Air France plain next to ours, but that one can not leave before tomorrow because of compulsory rest time for the crew.
30-11-08 last day at Bangkok - what a day...
This message is again by Ingrid, written from Phuket airport (yes, I arrived!!)
30-11-08
I thought having received an Air France phone no. accessible 24 /24 hrs 7 / 7 days a week, but that was another illusion ... I contacted Florence, whose uncle has some special relations with Air France and who managed to give me a no. which was at least accessible on Sunday between 6.30 a.m. and 22 p.m. i.e. +33892 702 654.
6.30 am French time is 12.30 pm local time, so I had to cancel my boat bicycle tour starting an half hout later. Happily the manager Co insisted that I had to come (he is loosing a lot of business because of the current Bangkok problems ...) and would take care of my Air France needs.
In the meantime I already left the hotel for a walk in the area, what else to do? I wanted to visit 2 wats (temples) nearby by foot. But I have to admit that I did not feel well, it was too quiet on the streets and I felt too European, too visible. And that proved to be true: all in the sudden a crazy young man grasped my breast in a dark alleyway (stupid me to go there anyway ..) and then I had enough of all of it and decided to return to the touristy area of Khao San in the Banglamphu district, the area where my hotel is situated. I sat down in the Starbucks - proof for Arjan of my distress .. - had an espresso, read in my Lonely Planet and tried in an internet café to find a flight to get out of Bangkok via whatever airline. No success and all in the sudden the message of Co to catch his tour. I had little time left to get there in due time, but feeling miserable I said myself "Go for it".
So I did and in the taxi I tried to contact the Air France no. Unfortunately after a couple of rings it went dead. I gave Florence my already cancelled flight details for the tomorrow flight and she managed 1) to put me on the flight of December 4th (which according to me is useless, the airport is still blocked and it will take at least 1 to 2 days - and more if there will be a bloodshed if the protesters will be removed - to kick off the operations) and 2) to make a note in my file that Air France would contact me as soon as another Air France flight is organised from the military airport approx. 200 kms from Bangkok.
Florence confirmed me that the flights from the military airport are organised via the embassies. Not knowing which embassy is taking me into charge; I decided seeing both of them physically tomorrow.
Florence learnt that tonight 2 Swiss and 1 Australian flight is leaving from the military airport, but I talked today to a Danish air hostess who confirmed that she is flying out tonight from the military airport with Scandinavian Airlines. But indeed the number of flights from this rather small airport is limited because of its size. She urged me to contact Air France; I will go to see them tomorrow as well. (Florence, again many thanks for all your help; I made you doing overtime during the night ....).
I joint the tour and meanwhile I received Florence's messages which I answered in between the Wats, markets, long tail boats, quite funny. Please click on this link www.covankessel.com and look for the details of Boat Bicycle Tour 1 to see what I did (available in English and in Dutch).
I returned at the hotel around 6.30 pm where I wanted to have a 2 hrs massage. Fortunately, the saloon was closed, so instead I went to a nearby Internet café to work on the blog, read my emails, check the sites of the Dutch and French embassies, and there ...... I found this incredible news :
"30 november, 16.20 - Belangrijke mededeling voor KLM-passagiers
Van KLM is vernomen dat een KLM toestel vertrekt 30/11 12.00 uur NL. tijd AMS- Kuala Lumpur - Phuket (HKT). Verwachte aankomsttijd in Phuket - in principe - is 14.00 uur lokale tijd op maandag 1 december. Beoogde vertrektijd vanaf Phuket is om 19.00 uur lokale tijd op 1 dec. Tijd vertrek onder voorbehoud i.v.m. afhandeling passagiersstroom.Het KLM kantoor geeft voor deze zaak geen apart telefoonnr. af voor aanmelding passagiers, maar stelt dat KLM passagiers verblijvende in Bangkok zich in persoon vanaf nu (16.15 uur lokale tijd op zondag 30 november) dienen te melden op KLM kantoor. Adres: 20th. Floor Vorawat Building 849 Silom Rd. Bangkok. U wordt verzocht uw baggage niet mee te nemen naar het KLM-kantoor. Na melding zal de KLM u verder informeren.Kantoor zal vandaag tot in de avonduren open zijn. KLM regelt tevens busjes. KLM verzoekt KLM passagiers niet op eigen houtje naar Phuket te reizen. GEEFT U DEZE INFORMATIE OOK DOOR AAN MEDEPASSAGIERS VAN KLM."
Same information confirmed at the same time by Patricia, Dutch colleague. I contacted Arjan to find out if 1) this applied as well to Air France flights and 2) if the KLM office was still open (in the meantime it was already 7.30 pm). Yes, both was OK, so I had to run. Running out of the Internet café I could not find the address of the KLM office, back again to the internet café, and again in the street to find a taxi. 2 taxis turned me down for a me unknown reason (one feels itself so disabled if you do not speak the local language ...), so I ran to my nearby hotel to get the address noted down in Thai language and get me a taxi and explain the driver the address. More success, the driver was apparently not happy for a for me unknown reason, but got me rather quick to the KLM office. There, panic again, huge crowd standing outside!! Am I too late?? I ran into the office, get up to the 20th floor and there I understood that other airlines were doing similar solutions, so the people outside were simply waiting for their buses to be transported to the Phuket airport.
Quickly I got the confirmation that I could be boarded, what a relief!! But according to the internet instruction I did not take my luggage and we had to leave in a couple of hours. I left my passport with KLM so that they could arrange my ticket and took another taxi to drive back to the hotel, pack my luggage, take a shower and pay my hotel bill. Back again to the KLM office to pick up my passport and boarding card (a simple KLM-blue coloured card with just a no. on it and a print-out of my connected flight from Amsterdam to Paris).
Everything arranged at 11 pm we had to wait another 2 hours till 1 am 01-12-08 before the bus started to drive for its approx. 12 hours drive.
You can image my relief, I was so happy to get out, even if it is via a long, long way, but at least I can escape Bangkok!!
OK, I have to leave you right now, apparently I have to board for the Phuket - Kuala Lumpur - Amsterdam - Paris flight.
30-11-08
I thought having received an Air France phone no. accessible 24 /24 hrs 7 / 7 days a week, but that was another illusion ... I contacted Florence, whose uncle has some special relations with Air France and who managed to give me a no. which was at least accessible on Sunday between 6.30 a.m. and 22 p.m. i.e. +33892 702 654.
6.30 am French time is 12.30 pm local time, so I had to cancel my boat bicycle tour starting an half hout later. Happily the manager Co insisted that I had to come (he is loosing a lot of business because of the current Bangkok problems ...) and would take care of my Air France needs.
In the meantime I already left the hotel for a walk in the area, what else to do? I wanted to visit 2 wats (temples) nearby by foot. But I have to admit that I did not feel well, it was too quiet on the streets and I felt too European, too visible. And that proved to be true: all in the sudden a crazy young man grasped my breast in a dark alleyway (stupid me to go there anyway ..) and then I had enough of all of it and decided to return to the touristy area of Khao San in the Banglamphu district, the area where my hotel is situated. I sat down in the Starbucks - proof for Arjan of my distress .. - had an espresso, read in my Lonely Planet and tried in an internet café to find a flight to get out of Bangkok via whatever airline. No success and all in the sudden the message of Co to catch his tour. I had little time left to get there in due time, but feeling miserable I said myself "Go for it".
So I did and in the taxi I tried to contact the Air France no. Unfortunately after a couple of rings it went dead. I gave Florence my already cancelled flight details for the tomorrow flight and she managed 1) to put me on the flight of December 4th (which according to me is useless, the airport is still blocked and it will take at least 1 to 2 days - and more if there will be a bloodshed if the protesters will be removed - to kick off the operations) and 2) to make a note in my file that Air France would contact me as soon as another Air France flight is organised from the military airport approx. 200 kms from Bangkok.
Florence confirmed me that the flights from the military airport are organised via the embassies. Not knowing which embassy is taking me into charge; I decided seeing both of them physically tomorrow.
Florence learnt that tonight 2 Swiss and 1 Australian flight is leaving from the military airport, but I talked today to a Danish air hostess who confirmed that she is flying out tonight from the military airport with Scandinavian Airlines. But indeed the number of flights from this rather small airport is limited because of its size. She urged me to contact Air France; I will go to see them tomorrow as well. (Florence, again many thanks for all your help; I made you doing overtime during the night ....).
I joint the tour and meanwhile I received Florence's messages which I answered in between the Wats, markets, long tail boats, quite funny. Please click on this link www.covankessel.com and look for the details of Boat Bicycle Tour 1 to see what I did (available in English and in Dutch).
I returned at the hotel around 6.30 pm where I wanted to have a 2 hrs massage. Fortunately, the saloon was closed, so instead I went to a nearby Internet café to work on the blog, read my emails, check the sites of the Dutch and French embassies, and there ...... I found this incredible news :
"30 november, 16.20 - Belangrijke mededeling voor KLM-passagiers
Van KLM is vernomen dat een KLM toestel vertrekt 30/11 12.00 uur NL. tijd AMS- Kuala Lumpur - Phuket (HKT). Verwachte aankomsttijd in Phuket - in principe - is 14.00 uur lokale tijd op maandag 1 december. Beoogde vertrektijd vanaf Phuket is om 19.00 uur lokale tijd op 1 dec. Tijd vertrek onder voorbehoud i.v.m. afhandeling passagiersstroom.Het KLM kantoor geeft voor deze zaak geen apart telefoonnr. af voor aanmelding passagiers, maar stelt dat KLM passagiers verblijvende in Bangkok zich in persoon vanaf nu (16.15 uur lokale tijd op zondag 30 november) dienen te melden op KLM kantoor. Adres: 20th. Floor Vorawat Building 849 Silom Rd. Bangkok. U wordt verzocht uw baggage niet mee te nemen naar het KLM-kantoor. Na melding zal de KLM u verder informeren.Kantoor zal vandaag tot in de avonduren open zijn. KLM regelt tevens busjes. KLM verzoekt KLM passagiers niet op eigen houtje naar Phuket te reizen. GEEFT U DEZE INFORMATIE OOK DOOR AAN MEDEPASSAGIERS VAN KLM."
Same information confirmed at the same time by Patricia, Dutch colleague. I contacted Arjan to find out if 1) this applied as well to Air France flights and 2) if the KLM office was still open (in the meantime it was already 7.30 pm). Yes, both was OK, so I had to run. Running out of the Internet café I could not find the address of the KLM office, back again to the internet café, and again in the street to find a taxi. 2 taxis turned me down for a me unknown reason (one feels itself so disabled if you do not speak the local language ...), so I ran to my nearby hotel to get the address noted down in Thai language and get me a taxi and explain the driver the address. More success, the driver was apparently not happy for a for me unknown reason, but got me rather quick to the KLM office. There, panic again, huge crowd standing outside!! Am I too late?? I ran into the office, get up to the 20th floor and there I understood that other airlines were doing similar solutions, so the people outside were simply waiting for their buses to be transported to the Phuket airport.
Quickly I got the confirmation that I could be boarded, what a relief!! But according to the internet instruction I did not take my luggage and we had to leave in a couple of hours. I left my passport with KLM so that they could arrange my ticket and took another taxi to drive back to the hotel, pack my luggage, take a shower and pay my hotel bill. Back again to the KLM office to pick up my passport and boarding card (a simple KLM-blue coloured card with just a no. on it and a print-out of my connected flight from Amsterdam to Paris).
Everything arranged at 11 pm we had to wait another 2 hours till 1 am 01-12-08 before the bus started to drive for its approx. 12 hours drive.
You can image my relief, I was so happy to get out, even if it is via a long, long way, but at least I can escape Bangkok!!
OK, I have to leave you right now, apparently I have to board for the Phuket - Kuala Lumpur - Amsterdam - Paris flight.
01-12-08 Ingrid's update
We left at 1 a.m. 01-12-08 by bus before KLM office, 10 buses in total. Approx 12 hrs drive to Phuket, south of Thailand.
Departure 7 pm 01-12-08 KLM flight no KL 8104 (maybe not yet known on internet) - for 1.15 hr to Kuala Lumpur to get some fuel.
Then flight to A'dam expected arrival time 4 am 02-12-08.
Departure 8 am 02-12-08 from A'dam to Paris, arrival 9.30 am, so a hell of a trip.
Delay already previewed and not sure if Arjan & I can meet at Schiphol airport, check in procedure of luggage unknown right now. The Air France flight yesterday evening via the military airport was an horror according to the local KLM manager.
If the massage of my hotel was not closed tonight, I would not have been in due time in the internet café to research the internet site of the embassy, because Air France did not warn me by sms, and I would not have been on this flight.
Departure 7 pm 01-12-08 KLM flight no KL 8104 (maybe not yet known on internet) - for 1.15 hr to Kuala Lumpur to get some fuel.
Then flight to A'dam expected arrival time 4 am 02-12-08.
Departure 8 am 02-12-08 from A'dam to Paris, arrival 9.30 am, so a hell of a trip.
Delay already previewed and not sure if Arjan & I can meet at Schiphol airport, check in procedure of luggage unknown right now. The Air France flight yesterday evening via the military airport was an horror according to the local KLM manager.
If the massage of my hotel was not closed tonight, I would not have been in due time in the internet café to research the internet site of the embassy, because Air France did not warn me by sms, and I would not have been on this flight.
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